Wednesday
Jun022010
Liebrals and Demoflops Want to Blow Out Your Wife's Vagina... FOR WHAT?
Wednesday, June 2, 2010 at 8:02PM
Part 1: High-tech births vs. nature’s way
Part 2: Midwives are common, c-sections rare
The comments on the first article are ridiculous and feature the usual suspects who call the woman interviewed in the article crazy and selfish for wanting a VBAC, pontificate that refusing an unnecessary cesarean is morally objectionable and, hey, what about all of the fat people? Shouldn’t the fat women exercise so they won’t have a c-section?
But the real gem was left on the second half of the article.
Foobarxyz has been talking to Dick Morris.
Reader Comments (46)
Hmmm. I guess there's nothing else to say. Well, other than WHAT THE HELL??!?!?
That comment makes my head hurt. Owie.
Also, I hate hate hate it when doctors (hell, anyone) say (like in the first part) "women are always asking when they can be induced." No, they aren't always asking that. Some do, many don't, and some are even coerced into it.
*le sigh*
I'm now moving to St Paul. Any want to start a commune out there with me?
Damn, I'm going to miss sunny and hot Florida.
I'm sorry, but that comment just cracks me up. Maybe it's my mood, but it's just so, um, nonsensical. What is this death panel he is talking about? So confusing!
WOW. That is just, wow. That's art right there. Speaking as a proud Demoflop.
Oh joy I love newspaper commenters- my hometown had to disable the comments section entirely b/c it was a constant sludgefest of crazy talk. They are the LCD of web commenters. Sometimes I love to go to a juicy story and join the melee. I like to say: you sound dumb. I did though like the article. I think the writer did a good job presenting facts in a way that did not paint a picture of selfish, experience seeking mothers- but pulled back the curtain a wee bit in favor of what we all know- the maternity care system needs fixin'.
If i wasn't busy getting my Grandma ready for her death panel visit I'd go there and tell the kiddie pool dude that he sounds dumb.
@SaaneneMother - I agree on the newspaper commenters part. From what I've read the folks who typically comment on the articles in our newspaper are a whole new brand of crazy.
Seriously, we must not let the liebrals blow out any more of youre wife's vaginas. Grab your gun and save a vagina today!
I noticed that most of the comments AGAINST Mrs Lund's choice repeatedly stated that they'd rather 'have a healthy baby with interventions than risk their baby's/own/wife's lives by avoiding them... How can they repeatedly miss the parts about how the interventions are dangerous, too, often more so, depending on the situation??? It really, really, speaks to how ingrained into our psyche is the idea that the expert and the technology are always the best/safest/most informed. (It would be NICE if all of our experts were in fact experts, (read: well informed, experienced, able to make decisions and judgements based on real info/evidence/probabilities, committed to consider the individual issue as a whole, uninfluenced by fear or petty concerns...) but technology?? Fails all the time, i don't understand our inherent trust of it...)
The lieberals comment must have been removed, as it is no longer on either of those stories comments pages.
I felt like there were more negative comments about the woman who was the subject of the article than positive- lots of "she's a nut!". Did they miss the point about her only being in the hospital in labor for 5 hours before they convinced her to have a c-section? That's hardly any time- it almost sounds like she had the "pit to distress" treatment. If I were her I probably would have been terrified to even set foot in a hospital again. It sounds like her second birth was great, though!
oh, and if I hear "the cord was wrapped around the neck OMG he almost died" one more time...ugh. 1 out of 3 babies has their cord wrapped around their necks!!! They don't breath air, people!!
You are right-- it is very very very ingrained that technology = better, science = better, big shiny hospital = better. There also seems to be a lack of understanding that any intervention carries some risk (which is sometimes worth it, of course). When I got pregnant and started doing my research, I could not believe what I was learning. I had a massive mental shift, but it was really hard. My mind was blown, much like some wife's vaginas.
I actually do think in general that science = better (recognizing that it has its own limitations), if we are talking about science as an investigative method designed to minimize non-factual influences. Unfortunately, we often think science= newest niftiest technology. In the case of C-section rates in the US, the science is telling us that it is overused. If more were paying attention to the science, we'd have less knee-jerk fear-based jumps to C-sections, and more non-interventive births with C-sections being used when they are actually necessary. (And if it seems like i'm picking on technology, i'm not meaning to- technology is very useful, but it's a tool. It really is supposed to sit there and do nothing until we need it,though we sometimes act otherwise, as if we have to justify its presence by using it often. If i bought a brand new fancy expensive snow blower, i still don't need to use it in July or after we've gotten one inch of snow. It can sit there until we have a blizzard.)
I also find it interesting that this commenter blamed this on liberals... a LOT of birth advocates are conservatives. Liberals and conservatives both are involved on all sides of these issues- i don't think we'd find a clear majority if we looked. In my experience, it's one of the least partisan issues around.
Sarah, those darn liebrals and demoflops go around removing the truth, amirite?
@ Sarah - agreed that the birth advocacy community seems extremely well-balanced, politically-speaking. I was a little surprised at that at first, since like most stereotypes I immediately associated home birth with über-liberal hippies (silly me), but in my education have found many, many extremely (and slightly) conservative home birth (and natural birth) advocates. How interesting that such a polarizing issue can bring together so many political ideologies.
And to the commenter - Wowsa! I honestly thought most people had realized the death panels were nonexistent. And how on earth does birth "blow up" one's vagina? Again, silly me.
@Lisa - it's funny you mentioned the conservative vs liberal thing... Because most of the homebirth mommas I know are pretty darn conservative in their beliefs (probably has more to do with where I live than anything) I had considered a HB with my first, but didn't at the time have the resources, and regret not investigating it further (because the resources were THERE, I just didn't know where to look)
I am disappointed, I had reported one of the comments, but it is still there - the one near the end that goes and spouts some BS about 10% chance of rupture. I reported to the magazine that it violates their first rule of posting comments, that it's wildly inaccurate... UGH, I wish people would actually educate themselves before commenting to these things... But as many have commented above, that just doesn't happen with these magazine/newspaper articles... *sigh*
Tee hee! That poster is actually kind of hilarious because he is such a loon.
But yeah, I am tired of the "anything for a healthy baby" comment when it is applied to techniques that do not increase the chance of having a healthy baby per actual scientific studies.
I can't read those comments sections anymore because they are far too bad for my blood pressure.
But the comment you posted here? That is by far the funniest thing I've read, seen, or heard all week.
Love,
The liebral with the blown-out vagina FOR MY BABY'S AND MY FUTURE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH, THAT'S WHAT!
LOL! I'm a demoflop and my political mission in life is to blow out your wife's vagina.