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Today’s open thread is hosted by Foghorn Leghorn. What did you do all week?

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I say, I say, I do declare. This made me lose mah water. I am finding that I have to rinse out mah panties.

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterMomTFH

I've been lurking/reading The Unnecesarean for a while now (leading up to my successful homebirth a month ago, yay!). Thanks for being here--your posts are interesting and informative. I have a pet peave I've been wanting to vent about with someone besides my husband, and this seems like a good place to do it. Your blog, actually, gave me the language to describe a major reason why I chose homebirth with a midwife over other options: it's all about evidence-based practice. I've also been lurking on other forums, like the large AP/crunchy-granola one sponsored by a parenting magazine (I'll refrain from mentioning it by name in case that is bad form). I've noticed that while their members are pro-homebirth, pro-cloth diapering, pro-natural parenting--all views that I share, whether I actually practice them or not--they are also overwhelming supporters of anti- or selective-vaxing, and homeopathy, which I vehemently disagree with, due in large part to the lack of evidence surrounding those practices. That forum goes as far as deleting posts which contain pro-vaccination viewpoints.

I have also observed the same association in the choice of doctors in my area: the midwife/homebirth community recommends a local homeopath and M.D. as a pediatrician. (I believe this is partly due to the fact that I live in a state that does not license CPMs, so they are operating under the radar, and prefer to stay out view of regular doctors; also, the homeopath doctor will do a post-birth home visit and make the birth cert process easier.) The association of evidence-based midwifery with decidedly NON-evidence based homeopathy irritates me to no end. (Homeopathy = treatment solutions which have been diluted past the point where NONE of the active ingredient is present, with the premise that the water somehow retains a memory of that substance.) The fact that communities are built around these practices that I see as opposing forces makes no sense to me. I think this association makes it more difficult for the general public to accept the practices of midwifery and the acceptability of homebirth.

One related thing that bugs me, too, is that I've observed on the same forum that herbal remedies--many of which are definitely effective, even though there are few clinical trials to show it--are often lumped with homeopathy, which (in my not-so-humble scientific opinion) is a complete sham. Again, devaluing the thing that works by associating it with something that doesn't.

I hope I framed this well enough to make my thoughts clear, and I look forward to reading other people's responses.

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterTara

An acquaintance of mine had twin girls vaginally at 38 weeks! She has 2 older girls, too. I'd love details, but I'll have to wait until I see her. I do know she gave birth in the OR "just in case." She's breastfeeding them, too. :)

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterSuzan

"I say, I say, I do declare. This made me lose mah water. I am finding that I have to rinse out mah panties."


As long as this is said in the voice of Foghorn Leghorn dressed like Boss Hogg, who had a baby with Harry Carey and is sitting on his porch with a mint julep, then mah word! I do agree!

-Your valentine

February 14, 2011 | Registered CommenterJill


I know what you mean. On top of it all, there is an assumption that it's all a package deal-- that is, that those who x also do y.

I'm going to repost this on Facebook and see who feels the same way, because I suspect there are a lot.

Thanks for delurking!


February 14, 2011 | Registered CommenterJill

Suzan, that is so stinking wonderful that she's not trying to recover from a c-section while tending to the needs of four kids, two of whom are newborns. Thanks for sharing!

February 14, 2011 | Registered CommenterJill

Re: Tara, I have had the same frustration. I will say that until a few years ago, I had never bothered to look up just what homeopathic meant, assuming it was equivalent to a term like 'natural' that has an extremely vague extension. And when I learned better I was astonished that I hadn't known. I suspect some portion of people who talk about homeopathy and maybe even are casual consumers thereof (eg buy homeopathic teething tablets but visit MD pediatricians, say) are in the same position I was.

It pisses me off when Voldemort groups everyone-and-her-Mississippi-goddamn-sister under the umbrella of "natural childbirth advocates" (a term I'm convinced is original to her) and makes sweeping generalizations about what "NCA" say or believe. Obviously any group larger than 1 person is going to be heterogenous. Not that you said anything about her, but I needed to get it off my chest! :)

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJMT

I understand the point of view of your post Tara, however I disagree with your stance on Homeopathy. Regardless of what can be found on paper to back it up or not, I have found Homeopathic medicines to be extremely effective, especially for my children.
I do agree though that believing in natural childbirth and the benefits of using a midwife does not necessarily imply or require a belief in natural medicine.

I tend to think that if it works for you and it's doing no harm, does it really mater if there is not a study confirming your belief?

I think many of the forums around at the moment are doing themselves and everything they profess to stand for a lot of harm by not allowing open discussion on all areas that might be relevant to those involved. Just because someone makes a decision that differs from the 'majority' that does not make it invalid or wrong. Why is it that groups that are trying to gain acceptance for their own 'alternative' practices have a habit of 'shooting themselves in the foot' but refusing to allow discussion from all sides. How will people brought up in the mainstream ever hear about or gain real understanding of why people make alternative choices if they are harpooned as soon as they open their 'mouths'?

Sorry I guess I went a bit of topic there.....and please don't think this is directed at you personally. (the only part that was I guess is that I think Homeopathic treatments have merit)

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterRobyn

Jill, you're welcome! I love to share good news.

Congratulations on your home birth!

As another home birth mom in a non-CPM-licensed state, I've also noticed both those associations. It seems to me that in the US, to be open to home birth means you are willing to defy the mainstream culture, so people who support home birth here are more likely to hold other views that are outside the mainstream. I came to support home birth in what sounds like a similar way you did - the evidence was in favor of it. I had also experienced (and disagreed with) the mainstream view of "care". But I can easily imagine how women might decide to have a home birth for reasons other than it is evidence-based. They may be more likely to support non-evidence-based practices because evidence is not something they consider or find valuable.

I also agree that it discredits the practice of midwifery in the eyes of the culture when it is lumped together with other "alternative" practices.

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterSuzan

Ex post facto salty language + mean-spiritedness warnings hereby issued.

February 14, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterJMT
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